Has it really come to this "MSNBC, the news outlet that supposedly represents the left." Certainly Fox has come to represent something other than independent journalism. I was thinking that while MSNBC has a definite bias they did not represent the left but were a left leaning independent news outlet. I would not consider any organization that represents a political position as a news outlet. They would be a propaganda outlet. Yes, I consider Fox a propaganda outlet. Fox does not intend to inform, they intend to manipulate. Should I feel the same way about MSNBC.